Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan; Beginning of Dragon Ball Super
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 04:53 PM Post #16
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	So, Goku and Vegeta forcing him to use what's probably less than 1% of his full power is fun because they're strong?



+ Six Trails	Jun 17 2016, 04:54 PM Post #17
Posts: 1,570 Group: Elite Member Member #11,764 Joined: October 23, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country United States	KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 04:45 PM Because it's synonymous with power. KidBuu55: "Fun is synonymous with power." Me: "Why does it have to be synonymous with power?" KidBuu55: "Because it's synonymous with power." ...Does anyone else see the lack of an explanation here? KidBuu55 Skill is meaningless in Dragonball, per Toriyama it's all about KI. Where does he say that? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Perhaps because those two are the most skilled? Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta are all far, far weaker than Beers. None of them are close to a challenge, so it doesn't make sense for Beers to deem one more fun than the other based on their power, because none of them make Beers use anywhere near his full power. Skill would actually make more sense in this case. Quote: Goku did a lot better than Gohan did against Beerus. Good luck proving that Beers had a consistent level of effort against every Z-fighter (which wouldn't make sense given that people like #18, Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo survived and they're far weaker than Goku and Gohan). KidBuu55 Beerus even compares Rage Vegeta to Goku, not Gohan Didn't you just say this above? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku.



Tinny	Jun 17 2016, 04:57 PM Post #18
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	That does make sense, none of them even approached 10% with the possible exception of Vegeta, why should he find using 1% or 1.5% or 5% fun? They're still ridiculously weak. Heck considering the u6 arc ssjg Goku likely wasn't at 10%. They're all weaklings that Beerus could kill by accident with his left pinky finger. Edited by Tinny, Jun 17 2016, 04:58 PM.
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KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 05:05 PM Post #19
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 04:53 PM So, Goku and Vegeta forcing him to use what's probably less than 1% of his full power is fun because they're strong? He said 10% of his power for Vegeta, which he compared to Goku. Gohan wasn't even mentioned. Mike Jun 17 2016, 04:54 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 04:45 PM Because it's synonymous with power. KidBuu55: "Fun is synonymous with power." Me: "Why does it have to be synonymous with power?" KidBuu55: "Because it's synonymous with power." ...Does anyone else see the lack of an explanation here? KidBuu55 Skill is meaningless in Dragonball, per Toriyama it's all about KI. Where does he say that? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Perhaps because those two are the most skilled? Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta are all far, far weaker than Beers. None of them are close to a challenge, so it doesn't make sense for Beers to deem one more fun than the other based on their power, because none of them make Beers use anywhere near his full power. Skill would actually make more sense in this case. Quote: Goku did a lot better than Gohan did against Beerus. Good luck proving that Beers had a consistent level of effort against every Z-fighter (which wouldn't make sense given that people like #18, Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo survived and they're far weaker than Goku and Gohan). KidBuu55 Beerus even compares Rage Vegeta to Goku, not Gohan Didn't you just say this above? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Yeah, I don't feel like going through a large response just to have you ignore it, but yes - Fun = Power/strength. And yes, I already pointed out Vegeta actually states that Goku is the STRONGEST.



Tinny	Jun 17 2016, 05:11 PM Post #20
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Goku wasn't mentioned either though? It should also be noted Beerus likely lied considering the two still aren't stronger than him to this date. Why give a response at all if you're not willing to give out the reasoning behind it? If he ignores it that's his problem. The only reason I can imagine for responding but refusing to elaborate is to "win" with the last post. Edited by Tinny, Jun 17 2016, 05:12 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 05:16 PM Post #21
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 05:05 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 04:53 PM So, Goku and Vegeta forcing him to use what's probably less than 1% of his full power is fun because they're strong? He said 10% of his power for Vegeta, which he compared to Goku. Gohan wasn't even mentioned. Mike Jun 17 2016, 04:54 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 04:45 PM Because it's synonymous with power. KidBuu55: "Fun is synonymous with power." Me: "Why does it have to be synonymous with power?" KidBuu55: "Because it's synonymous with power." ...Does anyone else see the lack of an explanation here? KidBuu55 Skill is meaningless in Dragonball, per Toriyama it's all about KI. Where does he say that? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Perhaps because those two are the most skilled? Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta are all far, far weaker than Beers. None of them are close to a challenge, so it doesn't make sense for Beers to deem one more fun than the other based on their power, because none of them make Beers use anywhere near his full power. Skill would actually make more sense in this case. Quote: Goku did a lot better than Gohan did against Beerus. Good luck proving that Beers had a consistent level of effort against every Z-fighter (which wouldn't make sense given that people like #18, Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo survived and they're far weaker than Goku and Gohan). KidBuu55 Beerus even compares Rage Vegeta to Goku, not Gohan Didn't you just say this above? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Yeah, I don't feel like going through a large response just to have you ignore it, but yes - Fun = Power/strength. And yes, I already pointed out Vegeta actually states that Goku is the STRONGEST. Unless you think that Rage Vegeta is anywhere near SSB Goku, that doesn't work. Kaioken x 10 SSB Goku is still weaker than Beerus, so regular SSB Goku is less than 10% of Beerus.



KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 05:20 PM Post #22
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 05:16 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 05:05 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 04:53 PM So, Goku and Vegeta forcing him to use what's probably less than 1% of his full power is fun because they're strong? He said 10% of his power for Vegeta, which he compared to Goku. Gohan wasn't even mentioned. Mike Jun 17 2016, 04:54 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 04:45 PM Because it's synonymous with power. KidBuu55: "Fun is synonymous with power." Me: "Why does it have to be synonymous with power?" KidBuu55: "Because it's synonymous with power." ...Does anyone else see the lack of an explanation here? KidBuu55 Skill is meaningless in Dragonball, per Toriyama it's all about KI. Where does he say that? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Perhaps because those two are the most skilled? Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta are all far, far weaker than Beers. None of them are close to a challenge, so it doesn't make sense for Beers to deem one more fun than the other based on their power, because none of them make Beers use anywhere near his full power. Skill would actually make more sense in this case. Quote: Goku did a lot better than Gohan did against Beerus. Good luck proving that Beers had a consistent level of effort against every Z-fighter (which wouldn't make sense given that people like #18, Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo survived and they're far weaker than Goku and Gohan). KidBuu55 Beerus even compares Rage Vegeta to Goku, not Gohan Didn't you just say this above? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Yeah, I don't feel like going through a large response just to have you ignore it, but yes - Fun = Power/strength. And yes, I already pointed out Vegeta actually states that Goku is the STRONGEST. Unless you think that Rage Vegeta is anywhere near SSB Goku, that doesn't work. Kaioken x 10 SSB Goku is still weaker than Beerus, so regular SSB Goku is less than 10% of Beerus. Yeah, none of that is stated anywhere. But Beerus did state that Vegeta made him use 10% of his power.



Omega Z	Jun 17 2016, 05:25 PM Post #23
Destroyer of Hopes and Dreams Posts: 226 Group: Member Member #12,213 Joined: April 3, 2015 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime One Punch Man / HunterXHunter / My Hero Academia What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball / One Piece / Berserk	If I remember correctly, Goku was called the strongest saiyan by Vegeta in one of the first couple of episodes of Super. Since it wasn't specified how much stronger Goku is compared to everyone else this battle could go either way. So I'll go with SS3 Goku winning because of his better techniques and since he's a smarter fighter. Goku wins.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 05:26 PM Post #24
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 05:20 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 05:16 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 05:05 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 04:53 PM So, Goku and Vegeta forcing him to use what's probably less than 1% of his full power is fun because they're strong? He said 10% of his power for Vegeta, which he compared to Goku. Gohan wasn't even mentioned. Mike Jun 17 2016, 04:54 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 04:45 PM Because it's synonymous with power. KidBuu55: "Fun is synonymous with power." Me: "Why does it have to be synonymous with power?" KidBuu55: "Because it's synonymous with power." ...Does anyone else see the lack of an explanation here? KidBuu55 Skill is meaningless in Dragonball, per Toriyama it's all about KI. Where does he say that? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Perhaps because those two are the most skilled? Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta are all far, far weaker than Beers. None of them are close to a challenge, so it doesn't make sense for Beers to deem one more fun than the other based on their power, because none of them make Beers use anywhere near his full power. Skill would actually make more sense in this case. Quote: Goku did a lot better than Gohan did against Beerus. Good luck proving that Beers had a consistent level of effort against every Z-fighter (which wouldn't make sense given that people like #18, Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo survived and they're far weaker than Goku and Gohan). KidBuu55 Beerus even compares Rage Vegeta to Goku, not Gohan Didn't you just say this above? KidBuu55 We know Goku and Vegeta are the strongest because Beerus compares Vegeta (the one who made him use 10% of his power) directly to Goku. Yeah, I don't feel like going through a large response just to have you ignore it, but yes - Fun = Power/strength. And yes, I already pointed out Vegeta actually states that Goku is the STRONGEST. Unless you think that Rage Vegeta is anywhere near SSB Goku, that doesn't work. Kaioken x 10 SSB Goku is still weaker than Beerus, so regular SSB Goku is less than 10% of Beerus. Yeah, none of that is stated anywhere. But Beerus did state that Vegeta made him use 10% of his power. Really? Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/ Ya really think that Toriyama would go back on his word just a few months after making that statement?



Tinny	Jun 17 2016, 05:28 PM Post #25
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Champa explicitly stated he'll take on Hit who beat Goku. Beerus basically dares Goku to go help with the implication that they'd lose. I'll let you decide what that means. Edited by Tinny, Jun 17 2016, 05:31 PM.
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+ Solid Snake	Jun 17 2016, 06:08 PM Post #26
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	The statement KidBuu is referring to is the one with Beerus remarking "the other Saiyan on North Kaio's planet" something like that. The way he said it is like he fought everyone else on Earth and Vegeta (raged) is the most fun, even more so then Goku despite fighting two of Buu saga's strongest fighters. However, Goku I don't really have stronger then Gohan during Z's time period. As for the op, Goku wins courtesy to Beerus, Vegeta and Goten's (fusee of Gotenks) omission.
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Skywalker	Jun 18 2016, 04:34 PM Post #27
Posts: 779 Group: Member Member #5,634 Joined: January 18, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Gurren Lagann, DB/Z/Super, Naruto What Browser do you use? Chrome	Gohan would stomp him in Z, but I can see Goku closing the gap significantly by Super, but I'd still put him below Gohan.



ryan1227	Jun 18 2016, 11:07 PM Post #28
Posts: 502 Group: Member Member #13,168 Joined: May 21, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	I think Goku got massively haxxed in Super, so he probably wins.



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